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Performance Vacuum Advance for HEI

Nashville Cat

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Attached is an article written by Lars Grimsrud covering the best vacuum advance cannisters for performance engines.

I recently bought the HEI distributor used in GM performance crate engines, #93440806.
The article written by Lars says this :
The “AR12” can is the most versatile and user-friendly unit for a good performance street engine.

Part # VC1838 AR12 (originally came on 1975 350 Buick) advance starts at 7-9" vacuum , total advance is 14 degrees @ 10-12" vacuum

These are still available. I bought one from Autozone, Part # DV1838, $18


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From the attached article :
Most GM V8 engines (not including “fast-burn” style heads), and specifically Chevys, will produce peak torque and
power at wide open throttle with a total timing advance of 36 degrees (some will take 38).

Also, a GM V8 engine, under light load and steady-state cruise, will accept a maximum timing advance of about 52 degrees.
Some will take up to 54 degrees advance under these conditions. Once you advance the timing beyond this, the engine/car will start
to “chug” or “jerk” at cruise due to the over-advanced timing condition.

Anything less than 52 degrees produces less than optimum fuel economy at cruise speed.

The additional timing produced by the vacuum advance control unit must be tailored and matched to the engine and
the distributor’s mechanical advance curve.
 

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I used an MSD stop plate for my vac adv., Crane made the best from what I've read and Dave Ray said he was going to start repopping them but the Autozone part you listed looks like it would make things even more simple, I was pulling my hair out working on my PerTronix Flame Thrower III HEI that came with UPSIDE DOWN center plates and 20+ degrees of advance :oops: WHY I have No Idea! and Pert tech support Sucks IMHO
 
I will tell you guys this one, any vacuum advance at all on a Vortec headed SBC will spit and buck badly as I found out. The Vortec heads like around 32° timing total and that's about it. You might get away with an extra 5° vac advance but when I added the vacuum on my MSD distributor with 15° the car ran pretty bad.
 
I will tell you guys this one, any vacuum advance at all on a Vortec headed SBC will spit and buck badly as I found out. The Vortec heads like around 32° timing total and that's about it. You might get away with an extra 5° vac advance but when I added the vacuum on my MSD distributor with 15° the car ran pretty bad.
The 32 degrees is when the engine is under load and vacuum is zero. All engines need extra timing when idling or cruising.
But on a race or drag engine , vacuum advance just complicates things.
 
The 32 degrees is when the engine is under load and vacuum is zero. All engines need extra timing when idling or cruising.
But on a race or drag engine , vacuum advance just complicates things.
My street Vortec 350 don't think so and when I am out cruising it spits and bucks with anything more than 5° of vacuum advance. Those Vortec engines were designed to have no more that about 35° due to the super efficient chamber design and the placement of the spark plug that's almost in the center between the 2 valves. I used to look at the timing tables on the my old 99 Suburban with a Tech 2 scanner one day and at 2500rpm the total timing was like 26° and the truck would get 20 mpg on the highway. Look at an LS 5.3 18-23° total timing on them, my buddies LS6 only need 24-26 when cruising. I guess one just needs to find the sweet spot on vacuum advance.
 
I like to build the most efficient street engine I can build.
I'm surprised how few people there are that care about gas mileage when building a performance engine.
That's what this post is about.
If you don't care about gas mileage, just don't use vacuum advance.
 
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