Putin warns the USA - Ukraine may cease to exist

[Nashville Cat]

Putin has been asking for negotiations since the war started.
The USA has refused or pretended that they were interested IF Russia withdrew and gave up Russia-speaking eastern Ukraine.

"Aren't They Fools?": Putin Says Ukrainian Statehood Risks 'Irreparable Blow' If War Continues​

WEDNESDAY, JAN 17, 2024

Russian President Vladimir Putin gave statements on Tuesday which assessed the overall status of the nearly two-year conflict with Ukraine at a moment
Western and world leaders meet in Davos for the World Economic Forum (WEF). Zelensky while there in Switzerland pressed Ukraine's case for the need to achieve air superiority.
But Putin in his fresh remarks stressed that not only do Russian forces have the clear upper hand, but he emphasized for the first time that Ukrainian statehood
itself risks an "irreparable" blow if the war continues. He stressed that Ukraine's military has already "failed".
"Not only has their counteroffensive failed, but the initiative is entirely in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces," Putin said in the televised remarks.
"If this continues, Ukraine's statehood could be dealt an irreparable, very serious blow," he added, but he didn't clarify further precisely what he meant by this.


"They are trying to show that they can also do something. But instead of solving military tasks, they act in such a barbaric way. Attacks are being carried out on peaceful settlements
with indiscriminate weapons," Putin said in reference to the past several weeks of cross-border attacks on Belgorod city, which have killed and maimed Russian civilians.

Putin further addressed Zelensky's efforts to gather world leaders for a peace summit hosted by Switzerland, to consider Kiev's 10-point peace plan, which it
should be noted rejects the possibility of territorial concessions.

"The so-called 'peace formula' that's being talked about in the West and in Ukraine is a continuation of the decree of the Ukrainian president banning negotiations with Russia,"
Putin said, according to a translation in Sputnik.

"As for the negotiating process, it's an attempt to encourage us to abandon the territorial gains we've achieved over the past 1 1/2 years. But this is impossible.
Everyone understands that this is impossible," the Russian leader continued.

He explained that earlier in the conflict, the two sides were close to serious negotiations that could have led to peace, but ultimately Zelensky was told by the USA negotiations were not allowed.

"A day later, they threw all the agreements into the trash, and now they are saying publicly—including the head of the Ukrainian negotiating group—that 'Yes, we were ready, but we
missed the chance, because then-Prime Minister of Britain Mr. [Boris] Johnson came and persuaded us not to implement these agreements,'" Putin said.

He stressed: "Fools, are they not? They're admitting directly that if they had gone for it, everything could have been ended a long time ago, 1 1/2 years ago."

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[68Chevele]

Hey folks in Ukraine, Nukes coming soon to city near you.

 

[Shaner]

THAT would be awesome!

NATO would invade Ukraine and every Asian country would request arms and nukes, protection from everywhere. Ukraine would become a humanitarian mission to which militaries from all over the world would be activated for defense.
Hell, NATO has three times an army compared to Russia and 5 times the equipment, and with an event this tragic, every countries pocket books would be WIDE open. There is nuclear doctrine, people just can't go around using nukes and think everyone else on this rock is shocked, and it would be a surprise. It may surprise you and you may die, but what starts after the fact is shame shame shame on the original idiot. You can bet pupin knows this, hence why he constantly proves he's bullshitting and his hands are tied.

The US would become a manufacturing giant once again along with Europe, Taiwan and other Asian countries would then be armed up, which of course would turn China against Russia since it now ruined its chance at an easy takeover of its interests.

And once again, you have the world's police force, military industrial complex, one government all easily begotten by the US.

The US also just announced that whoever makes it to the moon in the next 10 years has control of the thing.

And people thought space force was a dumb thing. It's all in the playbook.



(P.s. the fallout goes back to Russia, which kills more than the original blast. Hahahahahahahhaah sssssh that's a secret)

 

[Nashville Cat]

Putin has more nukes than anyone else, therefore no one else will dare to use a nuke.
He will win any land war fought near Russia/Ukraine.
They are already set up and trained. They will mow down anyone entering that area, just like we would over here.
Putin is very confident and has good reason to be. Soon Europe will be crawling back, eager to do business and forget the past.

You are blind to the fact that Davos (Europe) is run by evil people who are also greedy.
The USA-Europe team is eager to destroy and plunder Russia. Just like our leaders want to destroy us (the middle class).
ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT is their goal and Putin ain't having none of it.

 

[Nashville Cat]

Putin has been asking for negotiations since the war started.
The USA has refused or pretended that they were interested IF Russia withdrew and gave up Russia-speaking eastern Ukraine.

"Aren't They Fools?": Putin Says Ukrainian Statehood Risks 'Irreparable Blow' If War Continues​

WEDNESDAY, JAN 17, 2024

Russian President Vladimir Putin gave statements on Tuesday which assessed the overall status of the nearly two-year conflict with Ukraine at a moment
Western and world leaders meet in Davos for the World Economic Forum (WEF). Zelensky while there in Switzerland pressed Ukraine's case for the need to achieve air superiority.
But Putin in his fresh remarks stressed that not only do Russian forces have the clear upper hand, but he emphasized for the first time that Ukrainian statehood
itself risks an "irreparable" blow if the war continues. He stressed that Ukraine's military has already "failed".
"Not only has their counteroffensive failed, but the initiative is entirely in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces," Putin said in the televised remarks.
"If this continues, Ukraine's statehood could be dealt an irreparable, very serious blow," he added, but he didn't clarify further precisely what he meant by this.

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"They are trying to show that they can also do something. But instead of solving military tasks, they act in such a barbaric way. Attacks are being carried out on peaceful settlements
with indiscriminate weapons," Putin said in reference to the past several weeks of cross-border attacks on Belgorod city, which have killed and maimed Russian civilians.

Putin further addressed Zelensky's efforts to gather world leaders for a peace summit hosted by Switzerland, to consider Kiev's 10-point peace plan, which it
should be noted rejects the possibility of territorial concessions.

"The so-called 'peace formula' that's being talked about in the West and in Ukraine is a continuation of the decree of the Ukrainian president banning negotiations with Russia,"
Putin said, according to a translation in Sputnik.

"As for the negotiating process, it's an attempt to encourage us to abandon the territorial gains we've achieved over the past 1 1/2 years. But this is impossible.
Everyone understands that this is impossible," the Russian leader continued.

He explained that earlier in the conflict, the two sides were close to serious negotiations that could have led to peace, but ultimately Zelensky was told by the USA negotiations were not allowed.

"A day later, they threw all the agreements into the trash, and now they are saying publicly—including the head of the Ukrainian negotiating group—that 'Yes, we were ready, but we
missed the chance, because then-Prime Minister of Britain Mr. [Boris] Johnson came and persuaded us not to implement these agreements,'" Putin said.

He stressed: "Fools, are they not? They're admitting directly that if they had gone for it, everything could have been ended a long time ago, 1 1/2 years ago."

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[71350SS+454]

During WWII the Russian army had many woman on the front lines. Now I don't know how many of them were Ukrainian in those days but those Russian woman were better sharpshooters than the average male soldier. They had many woman snipers that had more kills than their male counterparts .
As for todays war they need to get back to the negotiating tables and end this thing quickly. I fear that the Russians want to get their hands on our tanks and F16's or those fire and forget shoulder launched missiles (sorry forgot their names) that we sent there. They could just offer a bounty on any one of the things that we sent over there that they want to take a look at and any one of those Ukrainians could take the money and run.

 

[Nashville Cat]

But those Russian woman were better sharpshooters than the average male soldier. They had many woman snipers that had more kills than their male counterparts . I fear that the Russians want to get their hands on our tanks and F16's or those fire and forget shoulder launched missiles (sorry forgot their names) that we sent there. They could just offer a bounty on any one of the things that we sent over there that they want to take a look at and any one of those Ukrainians could take the money and run.

Snipers have nothing to shoot at since artillery is miles away from the front lines. These women will be dying in trenches at the front.
F-16 ? Russians have a plane equal to our F-35. They have several models that each has it's own strength.
Just like cars, every plane is a compromise on what it does best.
Their tanks are equal to ours and more reliable. Army Col Doug Macgregor, a former tank commander, has explained we chose a turbine engine
that uses a lot of fuel and runs very hot, so it's easy to detect. And it breaks down a lot.
Russians went with a diesel .

 

[Shaner]

Snipers have nothing to shoot at since artillery is miles away from the front lines. These women will be dying in trenches at the front.
F-16 ? Russians have a plane equal to our F-35. They have several models that each has it's own strength.
Just like cars, every plane is a compromise on what it does best.
Their tanks are equal to ours and more reliable. Army Col Doug Macgregor, a former tank commander, has explained we chose a turbine engine
that uses a lot of fuel and runs very hot, so it's easy to detect. And it breaks down a lot.
Russians went with a diesel .

Again, you're full of crapola.

 

[71350SS+454]

Snipers have nothing to shoot at since artillery is miles away from the front lines. These women will be dying in trenches at the front.
F-16 ? Russians have a plane equal to our F-35. They have several models that each has it's own strength.
Just like cars, every plane is a compromise on what it does best.
Their tanks are equal to ours and more reliable. Army Col Doug Macgregor, a former tank commander, has explained we chose a turbine engine
that uses a lot of fuel and runs very hot, so it's easy to detect. And it breaks down a lot.
Russians went with a diesel .

Thanks

 

[68Chevele]

It's only going to take 1 nuke to make people realize we've opened up Pandora's box. By then it's to late to put it back in the box for all of us. Putin would be better killing all the globalist, then make threats.

 

[Nashville Cat]

It's only going to take 1 nuke to make people realize we've opened up Pandora's box. By then it's to late to put it back in the box for all of us. Putin would be better killing all the globalist, then make threats.

IDK, Gary (hoobleschmelter) posted a link showing world elites realizing what a stupid direction Davos is dragging us.
If Trump wins, I think the entire world might take a right turn for awhile.
I guarantee you Putin wants Trump to win. Maybe he has some dirt on the democrats he can tilt the election with ?

 

[Shaner]

Thanks

You do realize everything in the US arsenal vehicle wise, tanks, generators, hmmwvs, ltas, hmmtt, aircraft...all run on JP-8...no real super difference for military crap other than adding a quart of oil to the gas tank once in awhile. They can run on the same crap Russia runs on...but go ahead Beth, talk your bs. Yes diesel and many are multifuel.

The russians best jet su-57, built with older technology, can't keep up with our f16 as far as winning. Everything YOU have read is crap Russia put out on paper. F35 and on down is FACTUAL. If you actually know anything about the su-57, you'd know that they are poorly maintained and mismanaged. Months ago they were discussing an improved engine which now has problems due to sanctions.

Russia has about 12, yes 12 su-57's and no one knows how many are actually air worthy.

We have at the very least 450 f-16's, couple hundred f-22's and over 450 f-35's. The f35 radar is totally superior and it's stealth capabilities are far more advanced than ANYTHING Russia has. Russia su57 is still using old stealth tech we developed for the b2.

The f-35 is capable of using drones, flying more than one plane. There are also satellite options which no one on this planet has. Dogfighting wins come down to many things but two of the most important are the pilot and situational awareness. The f-35 which has stealth that's neat impossible to pickup can sneak up on the su-57 and not the other way around. The f35 knows the su-57 is, fires, and gets a kill before the su57 knows anything. The f35 is INSTANT, where as su57 has a time lapse.

Everyone compares the f-16 to the su-57...like ford tries to compare the mustang to corvette...TWO DIFFERENT LEAGUES.

funny you should mention "cars" as even Elon threatened to shut down all the tesla's in Russia when the war started. Can Russia do that? Can Russian fighters control other fighters/drones? Can they be flown by satellite? Can the satellite send data right to the su-57 in real time? The f-35 is far more advanced than ANYTHING Russia has. Speed and maneuverability go out the window when a plane 10 miles away already locked onto you. Also, the first most important thing you need to have is a well trained pilot.

12 or even 20, 50 su-57's won't make a dent in 100 f-16 or f-22. F-35 would knock all of them out and be home for chow. Any hypothetical situation already puts the kill rate 2.5-3. Everything you read on the su-57 is speculation. It's bigger, weighs more and has old stealth technology. Hell, they can't even get all the rivets in a straight line.

As far as your women comment, it's safer on the front line for anyone as Pupin keeps targeting apartments, schools and hospitals and his troops keep losing ground. We have women on the front lines. They perform exceptionally. Their thought processes are different, handle stressors different and all of then have something to prove. They aren't lazy and want to see the job done. I was a 249 saw gunner, all by myself, carried the spare barrel, drums 2ea, mags 6ea, didn't have any assistance, there were six of us in my company that has the same task, one was a woman, and she actually complained less than any of the men and did her job just as they all did. It really pains me to think that you think a woman can't be an infantry soldier. They can, the problem is when the males try to protect her or she uses her womanhood things to gain an advantage.

Did you see in the news where the Russian special forces are starting to rebel since they don't want to listen and "throw waves of men" at a useless town?

At least someone has some brains in Russia. They can't give their men up to date gear resulting in russians running around in ww2 steel pots but hey, you talk your gossip and fake crap and I'll just keep sharing.

Oh yea, Zelensky asked trump to come to Ukraine.

 

[Shaner]

I hate replying to all this bs before bed, I read what others wrote and it makes me laugh to the point I'm up for another couple hours.

 

[Nashville Cat]

You do realize everything in the US arsenal vehicle wise, tanks, generators, hmmwvs, ltas, hmmtt, aircraft...all run on JP-8...no real super difference for military crap other than adding a quart of oil to the gas tank once in awhile. They can run on the same crap Russia runs on...but go ahead Beth, talk your bs. Yes diesel and many are multifuel.

M1 Abrams Still Going Strong With Honeywell Jet Engine​

“The AGT1500 engine shares design DNA with proven Honeywell helicopter turboshaft engine technology,” said Justin Paulus, Honeywell Director of Large Turboshaft Engines. “When it was selected for the XM1 tank prototype in 1973, the AGT1500 shattered the paradigm because it’s essentially a jet engine powering a military land vehicle for the first time. Diesel engines had always been the standard.”

Try sending any of our planes over Ukraine and see how long before they are shot down by land-based anti-aircraft.
About as long as Russian planes would last over here.
Amazing how our generals aren't as confident as you are ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743057252549030242

 

[Shaner]

So you're going to tell me, an army mechanic who has more than once stood behind the exhaust of an m1, who has crawled on them, helped repair them, spent 29 years in the army that I don't know ? I joined a tank maintenance unit in '93 and drove 113's and Bradley's, decent and half and 5 tons. We lined up in the fuel point and filled whatever it is we were driving, with jp8, or diesel or whatever you would like to put in it.

Before coming here and typing away, try using a better use of the Google search bar..

David Axe, writing for Forbes.com, noted at the time, the Abrams' AGT1500 Honeywell gas-turbine engine in theory can run any fuel that is thin enough to move through the lines. The Australian Army's M1s have run on diesel without problems, but the tanks still burn a lot of it.

Again, more crap you're wrong about.

This is why we (Republicans) have such problems in the ballot box, conspiracy theories and false facts take priority over solutions and results.

You'd rather promote Russian crap vehicles with past American obsolete technology, and shit gossip like Michelle obama is a man before even thinking about her pictures of her entire life being a woman, or her IVF treatments etc. Unless of course you think that trans people can change their sex and then men can have babies.

I mean, the common sense doesn't even get thought of with some of these posts.

Next we will start seeing posts for Obama being born in Kenya again and everyone thinking is truth.

 

[Shaner]

Seeing any tank from night vision is obvious. We also have thermals that can see any also. Duh. True for both sides.

You do know an m1 can shoot on the move? Very accurate regardless of the terrain or speed.

You also know that Bradley's are taking out the Russian tanks? That's just like patriots that are taking out kinzhals. Russia is loading up their tanks with reactive armor which is disabling their crap. The bradley shoots at the armor around the sights and the armor explodes, takes out their sights and the tank is useless. Why do they need reactive armor on their tanks? BECAUSE THE RUSSIAN TANKS ARMOR IS OLD DESIGN AND NO WHERE NEAR QUALITY OF THE M1.

Russia also likes to train like morons. The tank commander is the only one trained on all the functions of the tank. When the tank commander gets injured or killed, the tank is dead, even if it's still 100% functional. There were stories the russians would have to handcuff the crew into the tanks to keep them from running.

What's happening with Russia, sights get taken out, tracks get destroyed, (which is easy) tank commander and crew retreats and abandones the tank. Ukraine kills the retreating crew with a nade from a drone, then tows the tank to the rear and runs it through maintenance. Repairing the damage and retrofitting parts so the tank is back for service. For Ukraine.

Not only is losing troops discouraging for a shitty leader, giving the other side your armament is absolutely embarrassing.

 

[Nashville Cat]

I said :
we chose a turbine engine that uses a lot of fuel and runs very hot, so it's easy to detect.
And it breaks down a lot. Russians went with a diesel .

You missed the entire point. I don't care that the turbine engine burns diesel. It runs extremely hot and is easy to spot with thermal imaging.
A diesel engine runs much cooler than a turbine.
BTW Ukraine is still losing badly.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1749098780052312403

 

[Shaner]

I didnt miss any point, you never made one.
You're trying to criticize an m1 by stating it breaks down allot...but totally forgetting that Bradley's and drones are destroying Russian tanks with their "diesel" engine to the point of Russia losing them 10x more than Ukraine.

Every tank is easy to detect. The heat signature on any tank can be picked up. If you're relying on heat signature to fight with tanks better go home.

It burns all grades of diesel/kerosene as well as gasoline and other oil based fuels. The Army uses JP8 and sometimes JP4, which is what every vehicle in the army (even humvees and such use). It’s a grade of aviation diesel fuel.

Mother Russia lost at least 60 t90 tanks already and the Bradley's are starting to take their toll on the t90's. Russia makes only 3 a month and they are starting to lose them at a faster rate.

And your point of Ukraine burying their dead in the woods, when Russia doesn't even bury them and doesn't even tell their families they died. PUHLEASE

 

[Shaner]

Amid heavy shelling, Ukraine's Mariupol city uses mass grave

With bodies piling up in Russia’s nine-day siege of Mariupol, the port city of 430,000 in southeastern Ukraine, local authorities are hurrying to bury the dead in a mass grave.

apnews.com

Here ya go.

More Ukrainians being buried in mass Graves and no compensation.

Because pupin is a coward and has to hit civilian locations to promote terror.

So what happens to the commanders who take loans out on a dead soldier?

Of course they are in nameless graves, they will stay there until they can be recovered. Location has already been recorded. Just someone here who knows nothing about a topic that keeps posting crap from someone else that doesn't know anything.

 

[Nashville Cat]

Ukraine has already lost close to 400,000 men and now they want to recruit that many again ? What will change ?
This slaughter has to stop !
They claim that Russia has high losses too.
It's BS. Russia has always had 10 times the artillery ammo and their men stay away from the front lines.

Ukraine's Spy Chief: "Not Even Conceivable" That We Can Win Without 400,000 New Soldiers ​

BY TYLER DURDEN
TUESDAY, JAN 23, 2024
"The shortage [of manpower] is palpable," Ukraine’s military top spy chief, Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov, told Financial Times in a new interview, describing the most pressing situation facing the country after nearly two years of war.
He warned that "it is not even conceivable to think that we can do without mobilization" — which reflects the consensus of the military's leadership, and strongly points to staggering losses by the Ukrainian side, though an official running casualty count has never been revealed. Russia has also likely suffered immense losses, but can tap into much greater manpower and artillery, which is also allegedly being supplied from such nefarious actors as North Korea.

As part of its report, FT has reviewed that Zelensky recently revealed that his army chiefs requested him "to mobilize about 400,000 to 500,000 new soldiers to replace those killed or wounded, and to rest those involved in the most intense fighting."

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