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New Member's 406 Mark Jones Eng. And story to get there

cage2592

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This was sent to me via a message from one of our members, 'CorvettePassion (Jeff).

Mike wanted me to share the story of this engine. I will try to make it short, but it’s a long story.

I restored my 77 Corvette between 2011 - 2015, and built up a SBC on a ZZ4 short block, AFR heads, Eddy intake, torquey cam. Drove the car that way a couple years.....but it just did NOT have the power I wanted. SO....I decided to replace it with a 406 SBC. Considered a 427 SBC... but decided it was just too extreme for a SBC. SO... I found a guy on the C4 Corvette forum, who has a reputation for being a good builder. He built the engine for me, using a local machine shop in Utah to do the machine work. I made most of the decisions on the parts, starting with a Dart SHP block, AFR 195 Comp heads, Callies Compstar crank and rods, Comp Cams 1.6 ratio roller rockers, Mike Jones cam and a long list of the best parts available. Was very expensive. Over $10K. Put it in the Corvette, and drove it 8000 miles over one summer here in PA. The engine was strong, but right off the bat, I had numerous problems. Initially it turned out the builder failed to clearance the oil pan scraper, and on the first start had an outrageously loud noise. Finally figured that out, and started driving the car. Over the 8000 miles, I had continuous oil leaks at back and front of the engine. I was losing coolant all the time. The valve train was very LOUD. I did a lot of work to try and stop the leaks, but ended the season with the decision to pull the motor. When I dropped the oil, there was metal on the drain plug (did 3 oil changes over the summer). Then I found out the valve springs installed were WAY too much seat pressure for the stock hydraulic lifter. There is WAY more to this story....but I will not detail all of it.

I am having Mark Jones (VortecPro) build a big block for my 69 Corvette project,... so I contacted Mark and discussed the problems with this 406. End result... he said, ‘ship it to me and I will make it right, but you have to get in line’. Fast forward almost a year, and here is all that was found:

- Valve springs were in fact way to strong pressure for factory OEM lifters

- Block had numerous poor machining issues, bores were WAY overbore for pistons installed, and the rear oil galley plugs were loose in the block

- Heads were not machined properly (angled), all the intake valves had excessive stem wear, and valve tips showed very poor valve train geometry and wear... . Exhaust valves were bent.

- Pistons had lots of excessive carbon or buildup... (Mark thinks coolant was bypassing head gaskets)

- Cam and lifters were junk with tracking

ALL in 8000 miles.

Much of the ‘wear’ is deemed to be a result of the original interference with the crank and the oil pan scraper which produced enough metal to circulate through the engine. It was not run very long, but long enough. This is absolutely the fault of the builder who did not clear the scraper on the build. BIG MISTAKE.

It also did not help the valve springs were way too much pressure, and Mike Jones, the cam maker, believed the lifters were being pumped down, causing lots of hammering, clearance, etc in the valve train. All resulting in all the valve train noise and damage

For the whole story, here is the link:


Mark Jones at VortecPro has saved the day fixing all the errors! I cannot thank him enough for what he has done. Obviously, it cost me a lot, and more than any SBC should ever cost, between the initial build and what Mark did, but I had little choice. Had I known about all of it to start, I would have had Mark build me a big block. Would have saved money.

I hope to have the engine back in a few weeks, back in the car for spring.


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I know he said he would like to have had a BB if starting from scratch. But I don't know. Now I like them don't get me wrong but 560hp / 566tq isn't something to balk at with 100-150lbs weight savings in my opinion.

I'm completely happy with my MJ406 and it dominates many. Doesn't leak a drop and drives better than the day I dropped it in a few years ago. And I drive and beat on it !
 
Pretty sad to put confidence into a builder and then get a really bad job. Obviously the original builder had NO experience. Glad Mark could sort it out and fix everything.

I've said it before and it's worth mentioning again. Intelligence is no substitute for experience. I've heard nothing but great things about Mark Jones and if I were to ever have an engine built, he'd be the man I'd choose.
 
My BBC only makes a Wee bit more but weighs a Whole lot more, But a BBC just looks right under my hood, seen an all alum 6.0 that's a pinch over 600hp & 575tq at a local shop, BUT anything in Mark Jones' hands are going to make crazy power depending on street engine or drag engine EDIT I came very close to calling Mark and sending my bare block to him but shipping and a waiting list kept me from going that route so had it done locally with parts from Mike Lewis
 
My BBC only makes a Wee bit more but weighs a Whole lot more, But a BBC just looks right under my hood, seen an all alum 6.0 that's a pinch over 600hp & 575tq at a local shop, BUT anything in Mark Jones' hands are going to make crazy power depending on street engine or drag engine EDIT I came very close to calling Mark and sending my bare block to him but shipping and a waiting list kept me from going that route so had it done locally with parts from Mike Lewis
True and SBC's are what I like, especially this one as its built similar to mine. I'd like to see your BB TQ numbers down low ! A brute down low is a great argument as well and adds to a huge smile factor !

Mike Lewis parts are amazing and very knowledgeable. Can't go wrong.
 
This was 2 yrs ago, 489 int bal. parts and Brodix 294cc R port with CNC option and cut to 115cc chambers from Mike Lewis but I chose the mild hyd roller Lunati 231/239 .600/.600 lift 110 lsa cam, dyno sheet was last of 5-6 pulls I was looking for 600hp
 

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Looks like 594tq at 3800. Outstanding ! I'm sure that's so much fun to drive !
To be honest it still doesn't hook so for now I can't tell the difference between the 420ish HP 454 that was in the car before, only my wallets about $8,500 lighter LOL, I guess it does spin the tires a little ways farther down the road than before haha
 
I'm going to be doing some light port work on my BBC edelbrock heads following Mark's videos.
He built a close-to-stock 427 that I thought he was installing in his 68 Chevelle ?
I wonder if he's ever run that down the track ?
To be honest it still doesn't hook so for now I can't tell the difference between the 420ish HP 454 that was in the car before, only my wallets about $8,500 lighter LOL, I guess it does spin the tires a little ways farther down the road than before haha
Did you ever add traction bars to your car ? They really work !
My S60 has raised ears on the housing to do the same thing.
 
Completely understand ! Which was on my mind when I contacted Mark for my 406. I've driven plenty of high hp/tq cars growing up street racing. And though they were fun to drive and light em up, I never really liked driving them for the as a potential street fighter. So when I talked to Mark, I as well thought about a BB but was worried about the TQ and traction. I figured a 600hp SB was the way to go with plenty of HP and lower TQ numbers but coupled with the right drivetrain would be a better fit for street traction.
 
Going of what Cat is saying, yes, the other item that helped was the taller ears on my QP9", lowering the car about 3" or more in the rear with coilovers set the rear even deeper in the car for better leverage. Coupled with adj uppers and lowers, and getting help setting better rear geometry of instant center, it’s night and day. I went from spinning to mostly locking it down.
 
Thanx for this Cage.....and I share your stance on the strengths of the sbc vs bbc. More room in the bay, header choices....that FIT, and traction in regards to rpm. A street tire is only so sticky, and longer legs with the right gearing can get sbc to move a street car surprisingly well.

Now.....about that 406, haven't read the linked thread but will....I've got some of the exact same issues with my 406. Had a local guy with a fantastic rep build mine, short block buttoned up. While bolting on the heads, front top drivers side head bolt pulled threads on the 3rd round. Builder wanted to helicoil it. NOT! He fought me on this, but it was clear he wiped out the top thread on ALL holes with his deburring technique. He agreed to a third party machinist he trusted to direct us.....he agreed with me, NEVER helicoil a 400 block, it's far too close to the cylinder wall. So, he bought me another block and built it over, with an attitude. While spinning the crank, it hit the pan.....which he installed. I've got a couple thousand miles on it now, excessive valvetrain noise (hyd roller), has oil leaching everywhere in all gaskets. PCV is sucking, but I bought an adjustable Wagner that I haven't installed yet.
So, now I'm thinking about pulling this motor and ironing out some issues, then swapping it into the jeep and puttting the 327 into the '66....kinda where it belongs.
I think a lot of builders are more suited to machining and prepping, not spitting out a drop in motor.
Again, thanx for sharing this.

I wanted to add.....I'm running a high volume pump and it climbs to 70psi while cold and above 2k rpm. Fades to 60 or so while hot. I feel that could be an issue.
 
This was 2 yrs ago, 489 int bal. parts and Brodix 294cc R port with CNC option and cut to 115cc chambers from Mike Lewis but I chose the mild hyd roller Lunati 231/239 .600/.600 lift 110 lsa cam, dyno sheet was last of 5-6 pulls I was looking for 600hp
That is an awesome street setup. You really need to work on getting it to hook !
I am hopeless when it comes to the SBC vs BBC debate.
The BBC is just 10X more beautiful LOL
And I prefer the stock look with the stock chrome valve covers.
 
That is an awesome street setup. You really need to work on getting it to hook !
I am hopeless when it comes to the SBC vs BBC debate.
The BBC is just 10X more beautiful LOL
And I prefer the stock look with the stock chrome valve covers They make repop stock looking and taller chrome VC's depending on the lift, I ran into that in 87 with a 467 with a tall lift (can't remember now) stock VC's were 1/4"-3/8" to short
 
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I would like to talk to Cage about this engine….mine and his. How can I get a phone number?

That's up to Mike to respond as we will not give out people's telephone numbers. There is an expectation of privacy we all enjoy. Mike will respond, but he's been tied up lately, so bear with a delay.
 
Ok,.......but it does not appear this forum has a way to private message people. Mike and I communicated before, I think via emails, although I can't find them. Mark Jones built me a 408 with the same cam as Mikes,......and I am getting 12 inches of vacuum, a rough lopey idle, and having issues with oil consumption through the PCV. This all seems to be a different experience than he had,.....and yet, they are almost identical engines......???
 
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