Ok so I can tell the trim tag has been removed when they restored the car. But does trim tag look real? Engine stamp pad and trans stamp? Friend thinks Trans stamp looks off but not sure how you get pitting back if it is fake.
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All looks good to me, even the trans stamp. Go to chevellestuff.com and compare your trim tag to others of the same origin.
If it's a 66-67, the VIN with star rivets on the driver's door pillar is the most important vin on the car.
Chevelle_Nut
Shop Foreman
Cars are reconstructed around the vin tag and rivets.
You can fake anything. But the worn VIN tag with old star rivets isn't that easy.
I've always heard cowl tags are not considered proof of anything ?
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Chevelle_Nut
Shop Foreman
Me too, heard the same thing.
kmakar
Janitor
That's how I'm going to rebuild my '67. Everything will be replaced except for the driver's door pillar.
The cowl tags were a quick reference for Fisher Body to attach the correct body sub-panels to the carcass. Some added codes for AC, body brightwork and in '69 and '70 some tags at Baltimore and KC designated the SS option, a critical reference for providence and value. Your vin. tag needs to be verified that it was never removed, then the stamps, which look great, need to be verified as authentic, which they are, so all is good. Of course, only eyes and education can determine if that tag or even the entire dash, hasn't ever been altered.
Pretty basic techniques are used to remove the vin tag, rivets are repopped, welding the surrounded metal to never disturb the tag itself. or the entire panel substructure. It's virtually impossible to be 100% certain anymore. Good timeline history, original paint, and documentation of the car's papers all go far in the verification. I know a lot of buyers that simply won't lay any money down outside their comfort circle of known cars or known owners. Truth is, they're still popping up, but more cars are being built out of rusted out carcasses now than ever before.
Pretty basic techniques are used to remove the vin tag, rivets are repopped, welding the surrounded metal to never disturb the tag itself. or the entire panel substructure. It's virtually impossible to be 100% certain anymore. Good timeline history, original paint, and documentation of the car's papers all go far in the verification. I know a lot of buyers that simply won't lay any money down outside their comfort circle of known cars or known owners. Truth is, they're still popping up, but more cars are being built out of rusted out carcasses now than ever before.
Ok so I am looking at purchasing this car from private party, he bought it at RK. It is not in the registry. So trying to do all my homework.
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle
Documented Numbers Matching Chevelle SS 454 LS5 4 Speed Convertible A/C
www.rkmotors.com
Says it's sold????
Lots of little stuff incorrect on this car including the water pump, should be an 811. The sales hype us a bit over the top, but that's standard mo for this seller. What was the asking price?
Lots of little stuff incorrect on this car including the water pump, should be an 811. The sales hype us a bit over the top, but that's standard mo for this seller. What was the asking price?
It is a private party sale now. Not from there. Asking 120k, I can deal with little stuff if it is a real car and I get it for right price.
Can't go wrong there. I looked up the value, and if everything leads to a no excuses car needing very little, it's a great value. Rick is solid, and probably one of the top 5 knowledgeable '70 guys.
Exactly if he says it’s real then we are good
'"Sale includes an original Protect-O-Plate"
Is there a way to determine if it's real ?
Didn't Chevrolet keep a registry of these, especially since they were for warranty ?
I have the one for my 68 Camaro
Is there a way to determine if it's real ?
Didn't Chevrolet keep a registry of these, especially since they were for warranty ?
I have the one for my 68 Camaro
So update on my end. Rick looked at the car and first day of inspection was promising. He got under hood done and topside of car. Paint is excellent, body work excellent and body panel gaps are tighter than factory.
A lot of re-pop parts under hood, a few wrong. Engine he believes is original to car and even after he went back to his shop and looked at others he could not convince himself otherwise. Problems arose when he went under the car. I knew rear end was not original but he said someone ground CRV numbers off and did a re stamp. Transmission date codes and model are correct but is a re stamp. Thought to be original by owner. Fenders and quarters have been replaced, professional and nice job but replaced. Entire floor pan replaced. Could not find a vin on the frame. Passenger door is a 71-72 door. Non SS control arms on the front. So in my opinion now even though Rick says he can’t talk himself into saying engine is a re stamp I have to treat it as a clone as a lot of red flags , this is my opinion. What is yours? What would you be willing to pay knowing this?
A lot of re-pop parts under hood, a few wrong. Engine he believes is original to car and even after he went back to his shop and looked at others he could not convince himself otherwise. Problems arose when he went under the car. I knew rear end was not original but he said someone ground CRV numbers off and did a re stamp. Transmission date codes and model are correct but is a re stamp. Thought to be original by owner. Fenders and quarters have been replaced, professional and nice job but replaced. Entire floor pan replaced. Could not find a vin on the frame. Passenger door is a 71-72 door. Non SS control arms on the front. So in my opinion now even though Rick says he can’t talk himself into saying engine is a re stamp I have to treat it as a clone as a lot of red flags , this is my opinion. What is yours? What would you be willing to pay knowing this?
If you bought this car and ever wanted to sell it all these Red Flags would probably turn off the next potential buyer, unless you can get it at a Clone price (I doubt it) I'd Pass Edit Someone probably/possibly built this car around an engine from a real SS