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I think even clones are way past $30k. I can't believe how high these cars are going for.
High 30's may be a good deal since a real one would cost tons more ?
kmakar
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Selling it as a matching numbers car is a lie to begin with even if the current owner believes it was and he spent coin on it, but $30k to take it off his hands is a deal in my book. My initial thoughts were $20k to $25k.
I do not like lies of any kind and for someone to pass it off as original and numbers matching is deceptive. It's a clone and that's all it'll ever be now.
The term numbers matching will stand up in court, that's the lense of the collector market. "Born with" is the next and ultimate step of terminology and means it was assembly line correct for that particular car. I'd think the car is still worth around 55-60 if it's well done and is assumed to be a clone. Rick is well informed and a real pro so I'd go with his assessment. Not sure if he even offers up a market assessment, but certainly his word on authenticity rules.
There is a lot of wrong on this car and that usually is a sign of something less than authentic, but not always. Not sure what you're referring to on "non SS front control arms" .... those are generic to all chevelles of that year. Rears are specific to the F41 and uppers are specific to either 10 or 12 bolt apps.
Any '70 restorer that uses that center vertical bar on an SS isn't a chevelle guy.
There is a lot of wrong on this car and that usually is a sign of something less than authentic, but not always. Not sure what you're referring to on "non SS front control arms" .... those are generic to all chevelles of that year. Rears are specific to the F41 and uppers are specific to either 10 or 12 bolt apps.
Any '70 restorer that uses that center vertical bar on an SS isn't a chevelle guy.
Just the fact that Rick Nelson couldn’t find the frame VIN, said trans is a Restamp and someone Stupidly ground off numbers on the rear end IMHO anyone trying to get anything more than Clone money is Crazy or no idea on classic cars and probably way Over paid for this car and trying to recoop some $ from a bad buy, Beth’s right about high prices now but personally I wouldn’t pay more than $30K
Didn’t mean Rick said Stupidly that’s Me
Haha agreed. He looked at 3 cars in Colorado recently that owner thought were all real and Rick had to inform him they were all clones. LS6 convertible, LS6 and 69 RSSS Convertible big block. The LS6 coupe is now for sale for 79k as Rick advertised it to people he knows. Full frame off but a clone in Astro blue. Beautiful car but I think I would want that in the 50-60 range , def be fun to drive and not worry about .
IDK, a 70 LS5 manual trans convertible is big bucks, I don't care if it's "numbers matching" or not.
If a numbers matching car is $90,000, I'd rather pay $50,000 for a clone because i'm going to drive it a lot.
If a numbers matching car is $90,000, I'd rather pay $50,000 for a clone because i'm going to drive it a lot.
Well a numbers LS5 convertible real 4 speed with air is 150-200k car. Owner was asking 120k and is down to 114k. Told him I would not be going there
kmakar
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.....and if it was all original, fully documented and confirmed by multiple reputable sources, I'd spend that money in a heartbeat knowing I was going to get it back. $114k is still way out of line, but I'm sure he got boned and is trying to recover some of his money which will never happen unless he screws someone else over.
I actually put down a deposit on a new Hellcat Challenger 6 speed at the beginning of the month as well. Ordered way I wanted as this is in my opinion my last chance to buy myself a new muscle car in my lifetime. I have a couple true numbers cars and chasing around some of these now is getting exhausting with all the mis-representation and fakes out there.
It’s a shame Dodge never made a 2 door option for the Charger when they brought that back out, Challenger was always the better looking car anyway, I had a 71 383 Pistol grip 4 spd Cuda back in the early 80’s and Man do I wish I had it now
I have never really been a fan of new Camaro. I liked them when they first came out and then I sat in one and didn’t like the feel or cabin. I like the mustangs but these hellcats are just so fun to drive and 6 speed final year is going to be quite special on future I believe.
I feel very fortunate in my recent '67 purchase from a consignment dealer down in North Carolina. It indeed is a numbers matching car...very VERY original actually. It's not perfect but I just found out that the large center grill section on the front is the real deal, after corresponding with Jeff Helms (from TC). I thought it was a reproduction due to the type of rivets it has (but they are original..don't look like normal rivets with a center hole, but smooth) There is also a "D" stamped on the top..original factory grills should have a D or N stamped on the top of the grill between rivets. Having knowledge is "power"! It appears the end pieces are reproductions however. I'm the 4th owner and I spoke with the 3rd owner who only had it for 6 or 7 months. The original owner's manual and Chevrolet pamphlets are in the glove box, including the protecto-plate and the date of delivery to the dealer in NC. The original owner appears to have passed away (per my internet search) & the first title in the national database was in 2015 (titled by 2nd owner), so he owned it from new until circa 2015. I can probably get the 2nd owner's name from the 3rd owner, as he was the one who likely did the repaint. I've come to love "Big Red" for what he is, even though he's a step down from my original '67 SS L78 car! It is fairly highly optioned however even having a TH400 automatic.
I looked for a very long time, and I admit I took a chance on this one, but I talked with several owners over the past few years and every one seemed honest to me, fortunately. It originally was a Bolero Red car with Black vinyl roof (per trim tag) however the vinyl was removed for the repaint.
As for pricing, I can state confidently that you will not find a nice example for leas the $50k to $60k, and very likely more, unless you get lucky. And for me, I'll take an original example over a total restore any day, unless the car has good bones and I restore it myself. I don't even want to guess what my old car would be worth these days being only 1 of 612 L78 Chevelles built in 1967!
My best advice is to do your homework and ask a lot of questions! Walk if it doesn't feel right. For a '70, you could always contact Patrick Nichols as he seems to be very knowledgeable on Chevelles, especially the '70 (see Youtube). That's a route to go when you are about to spend a lot of $$$ especially.
I looked for a very long time, and I admit I took a chance on this one, but I talked with several owners over the past few years and every one seemed honest to me, fortunately. It originally was a Bolero Red car with Black vinyl roof (per trim tag) however the vinyl was removed for the repaint.
As for pricing, I can state confidently that you will not find a nice example for leas the $50k to $60k, and very likely more, unless you get lucky. And for me, I'll take an original example over a total restore any day, unless the car has good bones and I restore it myself. I don't even want to guess what my old car would be worth these days being only 1 of 612 L78 Chevelles built in 1967!
My best advice is to do your homework and ask a lot of questions! Walk if it doesn't feel right. For a '70, you could always contact Patrick Nichols as he seems to be very knowledgeable on Chevelles, especially the '70 (see Youtube). That's a route to go when you are about to spend a lot of $$$ especially.